David Moyes has Dignity - My A*se..!!

Hi All,
  I received the words below in an e-mail sent to me by a red, it is a fantastic read and very well written.
Paul Jones whoever you are - your a star mate and a true red. I think the article below sums up all Liverpool
fans and what they think and covers the bitter hypocrisy of bluenoses everywhere... Apparently it is in
retaliation to a David Moyes interview where he had an under hand dig at the Heysel incident. I didnt hear
this interview so cannot vouch for it being authentic.. Never the less, it is all true about how twisted
EFC fans are.. I have had the 'We would have won everything but for Heysel' accusation levelled at me - in
future I will memorise the words below and use them in our defence.!

 David Moyes and his lack of dignity

 David Moyes: "We do things with a bit of dignity at Everton."

 I had to hold back the fits of laughter when David Moyes said the
 above following the Merseyside Derby at Anfield this season. The man
 of many sound bites, each more laughable than the next, actually
 believes what he's saying making the whole episode ten times worse. He
 has no shame. But as comical and entertaining as the fella is at
 times, dignified he is not.

 "Everton should be in this position. There have been many years when
 the fans were used to winning leagues and cups, but all that was taken
 away from them by other reasons."

 Dignified is not referring to the Heysel disaster yet again, on the
 anniversary of the 39 lives that were lost back in 1985, and
 highlighting once more that Everton used to be one of the greats
 before that horrible night. It's not the first time he's brought up
 the subject, but the interview he gave before this weekend's FA Cup
 Final is more harrowing and shocking than anything he's said before,
 purely for it's timing.

 Is it any wonder that the "murderers" mentality amongst Evertonians is
 so rife when the man in charge of their own club is fuelling that
 mindset within their support? Is it any wonder there is increased
 bitterness, hatred and venom within Evertonians towards their more
 successful red counterparts, when their own manager is pouring petrol
 on the fire that Heysel was to blame for Everton's dramatic and
 spectacular fall from grace?

 How dignified is it bringing that up on the anniversary of the 39
 deaths?

 Sections of their support chant "Justice for the 39", when they have
 no real desire to seek justice for those lost lives. Liverpool fans
 were arrested, prosecuted and jailed for their involvement of Heysel.
 I'm not going to get into what happened that night in detail, as I
 wasn't there and every person you speak to will have a different
 version of events. It was a horrible night, it happened, and a
 catalogue of incidents resulted in 39 lost lives. Liverpool fans that
 charged, Juventus fans that instigated the violence, UEFA that chose
 the venue and refused to listen to pleas of concern about it's
 suitability, and the severe lack of control by the police on the day;
 all of the above have a portion of the blame attached to them over
 what happened that night.

 39 innocent people died, yet Everton seem to think of Heysel as their
 disaster.

 They were the victims; nobody else. Nobody was hurt more than Everton,
 and the events of that night are entirely to blame for their failure
 to remain as one of the "Big 5". Liverpool, Manchester United,
 Everton, Arsenal and Tottenham were the "Big 5" of that time. 3 of
 them still remain so, the other 2 not. How were Everton affected by
 Heysel in greater affect than Liverpool, United and Arsenal?

 What about the likes of Norwich, Wimbledon and Luton that were denied
 a rare chance of strutting their stuff on the European stage? Do their
 fans and club management constantly refer to Heysel as the reason they
 find themselves in the position they do today?

 Have they ever looked at the appointments of Mike Walker and dragging
 Howard Kendall off his barstool as reasons for their demise? Have they
 looked to the years of mismanagement at board level with "Agent
 Johnson". A board that rejected a move to build a new ground at the
 Kings Dock years ago that could have taken the club forwards. Instead
 they've remained in a rotten and dated stadium, employed countless
 failures as managers and had an inept boardroom. Yet Moyes seems to
 believe, and brainwashing the fan base into thinking the same, that
 the events of Heysel played a far bigger part in that failure than any
 in-house error. A little look closer to home will highlight the real
 reasons Everton are no longer one of the big boys.

 Every English club was banned from European for 5 years, so how were
 Everton affected by that ban more than any other club? We were banned
 for 7 years, so surely we'd have been hindered by that ban more than
 anyone?

 Evertonian folklore states that they lost all of their best players
 following the ban, and broke up their greatest ever side. They are
 convinced they only needed to turn up the following year and they'd
 have beaten everyone en-route to winning The European Cup. They were
 such a great side that Liverpool won the double in 1986! Can anyone
 name all these great players that left Everton in search of European
 football?

 They were so decimated by the disaster that they could only attract
 players like Gary Linekar to the club, who just happened to be one of
 the best strikers in the world at the time. Signing AFTER Heysel for a
 record transfer fee; so much for not having the pulling power and all
 players leaving in search of European football. Linekar remained for
 one season, before signing for Barcelona.

 The following season Everton walked away with the league title, with
 probably their greatest ever side in 1987 and broke the transfer
 record again in signing Tony Cottee. I thought that side of 1985 was
 pulled apart as a result of the ban?

 When exactly did the affects of the 5 year ban kick in for Everton?
 1990? 1992?

 Heysel being the root cause of all Everton's subsequent failures is
 one of the biggest myths in football. Years of gross mismanagement is
 where it all began, meaning they were fighting relegation when the Sky
 and Premiership boom kicked in. Instead of being one of the Big 5 at
 the time, they were more often than not in the bottom 5, and therefore

 missed the gravy train that was the Premiership. That is the real
 reason they find themselves as the poor relations on Merseyside.

 Liverpool and Everton were the two best sides in the country in 1985,
 and remained so for the following few years with Liverpool winning the
 League and FA Cup in 1986, and Everton the League in 1987. In the
 early 1990's both clubs declined, with Souness failing to rebuild the
 side he inherited from Dalglish and both clubs being shy on silverware
 throughout the 90's. 1 FA Cup for Everton with 1 FA Cup and 1 League
 Cup for ourselves. Hardly the glory days of the 80's.

 We managed to drag ourselves back onto the European stage under Gerard
 Houllier, before errors were made at the end of his tenure. Rafael
 Benitez has again restored our position as one of the greatest sides
 in Europe. Everton have clawed themselves away from being relegation
 fodder and are now "best of the rest" when you take away the elite 4
 this league has now produced.

 David Moyes has done a brilliant job at the club taking into
 consideration the funds available to him, but he does himself no
 favours whatsoever by constantly referring to Heysel as a defining
 moment in the club's history. If he had any dignity, he'd concentrate
 on the job at hand, forget about what happened 24 years ago and forget
 about constantly using the death of 39 innocent people as collateral
 damage in the decline of Everton Football Club.

 If anyone is in any doubt why the "Friendly Derby" is now one of the
 most fierce and venom filled in the country, then look no further than
 the bitterness and lack of dignity shown by David Moyes in fuelling
 the Heysel myth that Liverpool are to blame for everything that has
 gone wrong at the blue end of Stanley Park. Evertonians are now
 growing up seeing Liverpool gather silverware and compete on the
 biggest stage. They are being preached to by the men at the top of
 their club that Everton would too be like Liverpool if it wasn't for
 Heysel.

 Dignity? Not an ounce of it.

 Paul Jones

brilliant post by the way SB 
i remember exactly those days and still see it ScouseUK with the blue half of the city  ,,,and yes it has been that way all the way through the nineties,,,thats why i allways refer them as "bitter blues" because thats the only thing i get from them,,,and moyes as good a manager he is, acts just like a "hooligan" at times and when he grits his teeth i sooooo want to,,,erm,,,,,,,,i think you know    ,thats why when it comes to a derby these days,it is football v muggers  lol

Everton are forever in our shadow and they look upon us with envious eyes.

I've heard all the whining in the past from Howard Kendall and took great pleasure from it. The 'poor old us' comments, the "If it wasn't for..." moans, the "great team that were deprived of glory" rants. It was all music to mine and many a fans ear.

What pisses me of with Moyes is he was NEVER apart of those days yet he talks about them as if he was. Its a trait I've seen in many managers down the years. I don't mind hearing a manager talk about his clubs history but it gets on my nerves when they talk about like they were apart of it.

I'm a fair man and i will give credit where credit is due. Moyes has done a good job with Everton, hes turned their fortunes around on a tight budget so he deserves it from me. On the other hand i cant stand him!! Hes a petty, jealous, small minded man. His comments about us make him look stupid and yes....undignified...the whole reason for this thread.

Oh, as a side note : I've always thought he looks like the butch one in a lesbian relationship. (Not important to the thread but i thought I'd mention it)